"Then, when Steve Alba won the first pool contest- ever- at Spring Valley, I immediately said, "Oh, this is what skateboarding is now. I made a 'Badlands' cross logo for my board to replace the 'Dogtown' cross & went from there."

"...I don't know. I mean I don't make any money any more outside of Hurley. I get some photo incentives here and there . That's kind of a hard question . I've done my time and I've gotten a lot of good stuff out of it."